Grey pointed out a very good reason I might have been upset with the new movie.

[pattrose]

No matter what happens, they are still supposed to be friends. That's what was missing in this movie. A lot of people think that Iron Man and Cap weren't friends, but they were. As close as Tony lets anyone get to him. I missed that closeness and wish they could have a do-over. :) Maybe that will be coming up in the newest film next year. We'll see.

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[briarwood.livejournal.com]

They were friends, hon. That's the problem.

Bucky is Cap's trigger. It's not just that they're childhood friends - Bucky "died" because Steve wasn't fast enough to save him and suffered all the time he was in the ice because it never occurred to Steve that he could have survived that fall. Steve doesn't think entirely rationally where Bucky is concerned. At the beginning of Civil War, he said as much to Wanda - he says he should have seen the bomb, but when Rumolo started talking about Bucky he basically froze.

Tony is in the wrong with the Accords (at the very least, it should have been a negotiation, not a fait accompli) but it's clear throughout that they are still friends. Notice that Iron Man isn't in the first big fight - it's War Machine who ends it and arrests them. The second big fight - the one at the airport - could have been avoided. This is where I started thinking Cap was in the wrong, because he headed into that fight basically because he decided Tony wouldn't believe that there was a threat out there. But he thought that because he believed Bucky, and figured Tony wouldn't. He wasn't willing to compromise at that point. I think Cap was wrong, and everything he did from then onwas based on that wrong assumption. But that doesn't mean they weren't friends.

It was only the last fight, in Siberia, that got really serious. But, Patt, no one is hurt that badly by betrayal unless there's love there to begin with. That they both fought so hard shows how close they were, because it got so broken.

As for a do-over; I think they'll get it. Tony still doesn't know the full story - he might never forgive Bucky but he will forgive Steve when he understands everything. And Steve is too nice a guy not to forgive Tony. I wouldn't, but he will.

[pattrose.livejournal.com]

I think that Tony was right. There almost does need to be someone in charge. Not necessarily who they thought, but someone. I agreed with Team Iron Man. I think normally, Cap would have been on his side too. But I hope you're right about forgiveness and friendship. I think part of the reason Tony thinks the way he does, is because he's not special. It's his suit that's special. He has no powers. Neither does War Machine or Black Widow. They are just everyday people who fight against the odds. But Bucky, Steve and Scarlett Witch are all blessed with powers that are controlled by no one. Maybe if Team Iron Man had powers, things would be different. I found it odd that Hawkeye was on Steve's team. Falcon, I could understand because he's team Cap all the way. Vision is the one member who I think might have an open mind about things. Maybe we'll see that more in the next Avengers movie. I know that Hulk and Thor couldn't be in this film because it would have been lopsided. LOL Basically, I was just upset for Tony when Steve went after him. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. :)

[judithel.livejournal.com]

It was a good film well worth seeing, I was a bit disappointed that Ironman battled with his friends at the end